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Justin,

No need to apologize, I have always spoke my mind when it comes to dogs and know that not everybody is going to agree always. I would never say that my boy Capone is not a big dog when it comes to this breed. He definitely is big, my issue is with the overused term of overdone when it comes to big dogs.

I feel that just because a dog is big does not make him overdone, Magnum, Sundance, Meteor and countless others are on the larger end of APBTs but I would not say that any are necessarily overdone. Overdone in my opinion would be used for dogs that were specifically bred to be larger or to be so large in some aspect that the dog is no longer balanced (an oversized head to body, a huge amount of bone that would make the dog unable to perform the task the breed was bred to do.) I had Capone larger than pictured on the previous page but the picture posted shows what he actually was when conditioned. The term overdone insinuates sloppy in my opinion, at the least it would mean unbalanced. I feel that Capone was balanced for his size and did not have any feature that was overdone.

So I have always had the opinion that a dog could be larger without being overdone.

CHRIS BLACKSTONE Nice Post lol,

We will have to agree to disagree on some issues but on others I agree wholeheartedly. As a person who studied every aspect about this breed before purchasing I am somewhat familiar with what the breed was originally bred to do. Bullmastiffs were not bred to fight because they are a guardian breed not because of size, Tosa's are not small and they are fighting dogs, another issue for another time and really has nothing to do with our breed, but just a argument on size.

SIDE NOTE: I do not believe APBTs should be the size of a Tosa.

Show to original is comparing wrestlers to boxers in my opinion. The only similarity is that they both should be athletes.

Straight stifled dogs will struggle when matched as would over angulated dogs, however I could show you examples of both that were multiple time winners for old dogmen. Because at the end of the day a certian characteristic is not measurable by a standard.

I will stand by my opinion of larger dogs to overdone dogs (as far as show dogs are concerned), I know for a fact that that not all APBTs 40-50 years ago were 40-50 pounds you may disagree, I do admit that the size of dogs seen today would be FEW and FAR between. The dogs are definitely larger and that is not a great thing. Our difference is by our standard the current UKC standard I will look for the balanced dog in the ring. That being said if that 55 pound male and 70 pound male are equally balanced a judge should not pick the larger dog only because he feels it is more impressive. I love my first show dog GRCH Corleone Kid aka Capone, he is the largest male I have ever owned and I feel that he is balanced, not because I own him, I know his faults and will readily discuss them with anyone. Before him came Cheno 18 1/2 inches and 55 pounds and now Cue 18/3/4 and 62 pounds they are all my dogs and I respect each for what he is.

On Schutzhund as a person who owns a Schutzhund titled dog I will say that it takes a sound dog to be titled and compete in the sport it has nothing to do with human aggression. A PP dog is not the same as a SCH titled dog. Cheno is the most sound dog I have ever owned from Dobermans, to Airedales, to Rottwielers, to Bouviers. Nerves of steel and is perfect with all people from infants to the old and crazy. The fact that people feel and sometimes say that this breed is not capable to do other things other than show and pull is selling this great breed short. Obedience trials to agility they are capable of doing most things being involved in this breed is important.

SIDENOTE I realize these activities are not, nor do they have much of anything to do with what this breed was bred to do.

As a former animal cruelty investigator for the state of GA I am well aware of the perception of our breed, but have found out that well trained friendly APBTs have never hurt the image of this wonderful breed. Great conversation and I look forward to continuing this in person one day. I will be showing pretty regular this year from all over the southeast so maybe I will catch you at a show and we can share our collected knowledge.

LAST SIDE SHOW NOTE dog shows have been going on for well over 100 years, I know the Wesminster dog show started in or around 1877, Pointers and Setters were the most popular dogs, anyways didn't want you to think I just talked out of my butt. You are 100 percent right about what the original standard was written for.

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Chris Bennett aka Faze10 aka MR. Hate If You Want